In the last posting on this blog I said that I was waiting for the results of a DNA test on a descendant of Robert Doris of Westport.
To recap, the problem is this: there are two Doris families in the West of Ireland. One of them is a well-known family in the Westport area who seem to have come to that part of the world from Tyrone as part of the expulsion of Catholics from that area at the end of the 18th. century. The other is the Doris family of Lettermacaward in the west of Donegal. These Dorises, according to tradition, are also descended from weavers from Tyrone and they are said to be linked to the Mayo family. I have had a DNA test done myself and a test was also taken by a member of the Dorans family who, according to the paper trail, is a descendant of my great-grandfather's half-brother John. Not surprisingly, my profile and his are the same, so I think we can probably assume that all members of the Donegal family share the same profile.
In theory, the Mayo family should also share this profile. Unfortunately, there is a spanner in the works. The test by the member of the Mayo family doesn't match our profile! It seems to broadly match the profile of the Doris family found in Tyrone, though more work needs to be done to compare the results of the different Doris families there. But ours is quite different. Genetically, we don't seem to be Dorises! (You can check these results free of charge by looking at the Ysearch database).
On the face of it, this seems disastrous. It seems to imply that we have no connection with the Mayo family and that therefore the idea of our family coming to Mayo as refugees is invalid. Is this true? I don't think so. For one thing, the name Doris is a very unusual one in the west and its presence in Donegal requires explanation. Could it be that the Donegal family adopted the form Doris because of the fame of the Mayo family, who were prominent in Nationalist politics? This is impossible, for one very simple reason. The name Doris is used in records in Donegal in 1864 and in 1870, decades before the Mayo family came to prominence. The account from the farmer called Boyle also specifically links them to Mayo, the weaving trade and Tyrone.
So how can we reconcile the two facts - the DNA difference between the Donegal and Mayo families and the supposed links between the two families suggested by tradition and implied by the surname? It seems to me that our ancestor probably did come to Mayo with the Doris family of Westport but for whatever reason, he was not genetically a Doris himself. In other words, he did not have the same father (or possibly even grandfather) as the rest of the family, for whatever reason.
People automatically think of illegitimacy or marital infidelity in these cases and although this is possible, it is only one of many possible reasons. It was quite common in those days for people to remarry when their spouse died, and the children of the earlier marriage often took their stepfather's name. The same could happen when people adopted a child, usually from relatives. In other words, we may well have Doris blood but we are not genetically Dorises on the father to son line.
So where did our profile come from? Our profile seems to be quite rare and there aren't many people with the pattern 12 and 14 at DYS 385 a and b. Perhaps, as more people put their details into the databases, we will find a match with someone whose ancestors came from Tyrone.
So, the results are disappointing in a way for the Donegal Doris family but I am confident that the mystery will be solved one day, if that's any consolation!
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I show that James Doorish (Longford)/wife unknown, born around 1760 had three sons, Patrick Doorish (Born in Granard, Longford, in March 1787); William Doorish (birth date unknown) and John Doorish (born 1788 in Longford). Patrick Doorish maried Mary Boyle (born 1787 in Tyrone). Patrick Doorish and Mary Boyle married in Armagh and all their children were born in Armagh. The interesting thing here is that you reference a Boyle in your blog and this Patrick Doorish and Mary Boyle had 3 sons batised in Armagh, they were Bernard Dooris (born between 1811 and 1816), Patrick Dooris (born 1815) and John Dooris (born 1802). Bernard Dooris moved to Westport, Co. Mayo and in 1840 married Margaret Quigley in 1860 and had at least two sons notably William Doris and Patrick Doris. (I also think that their father Bernard Dooris' brother Partick Dooris, had a son called Edward Dooris in 1821. I also think that Bernard's family had a set of 1st cousins in Longford who then moved to Tyrone or North between 1800s and 1830. The DNA test you had was with my cousin.
Gentlemen
It seems we are related. I am descended from the Westport Doris clan and have a question of Dave.
Bernard Doris (Dooris) I can verify was born in 1816. He and Catherine (not Margaret) Quigley had 5 sons and one daughter, Catherine (my Great Grandmother). My question relates to Bernard's father Patrick who you say married Mary Boyle. Is this verified? As I have his wife listed as Ann McShane (born about 1795 in Armagh) Also I have Bernard's siblings listed as Robert b.1818 John b.1822 Anne b.1824 Mary b.1826 and Bridget b.1828. As Bernard is listed as the eldest it would appear that perhaps Bernard's father Patrick remarried, maybe following the death of Mary Boyle. Also I have all of the above siblings listed as having been born in Westport. Furthermore I have Patrick and Ann listed as having come from Armagh but having died in Westport. So it would appear that perhaps Patrick also moved to Westport. In addition to this in researching the Doris connection to Westport I discover that the earliest mention of the name Doris in the area is in connection with one Kate Douris who was given sanctuary on the Altamont Estate in Westport in 1796 having been burned out of her home in Ballygawley Co Tyrone (Tyrone is in the diocese of Armagh ) She travelled with an Arthur Loughran and 6 children but apparently not with a husband. Hope this is at least of interest.
Incidentally my mother is a Boyle from Donegal!!! Regards John Gavin
Hello,
My genealogy road has ended for my McShea/O'Donnell line in Meenacloghcor, Donegal, and through DNA testing, in Buncrana for my Kelly line. Truly amazing considering that Robert Kelly emigrated to America prior to 1763!
I am now researching my boyfriend's Doris line and found this site. I have documented the emigre, John Dooris, born 1822-25 somewhere in Ireland. Another researcher states that his parents were Daniel Douras (1797) and Catherine Bourk (1800), but there is no documentation to support this. It is not known if Daniel emigrated as well.
Would the DNA testing you participated in be of any help in pinpointing where in Ireland his family hails? How would we go about it?
Thanks,
Kathy Kelly
Hello,
My genealogy road ended in Meenacloghcor, Donegal for my McShea/O'Donnell line, and through DNA testing, in Buncrana for my Kelly line. Amazing when you consider that Robert Kelly emigrated to America prior to 1763!
I am now tracing my boyfriend's Doris line. I have documented the emigre, John Dooris, born 1822-25 somewhere in Ireland. Another researcher states that his parents are Daniel Douras (1797) and Catherine Bourk (1800), but there is no supporting documentation. It is not known if Daniel also emigrated, or died in Ireland.
Would it be possible to narrow the field through the DNA test you speak of? How would we go about it?
Many thanks,
Kathy Kelly
Hi kellapitter
I have a john doris in my tree born 1822.Son of Patrick Doris and Ann McShane. Please contact me if you want more..... Thanks John
jgavin@lastminute.com
Hi kellapitter
I have a john doris in my tree born 1822.Son of Patrick Doris and Ann McShane. Please contact me if you want more..... Thanks John
jgavin@lastminute.com
Hi kellapitter
I have a john doris in my tree born 1822.Son of Patrick Doris and Ann McShane. Please contact me if you want more..... Thanks John
jgavin@lastminute.com
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